TRANSCRIPT:
Meeting 4, Session 10


Public Comment


Date


March 1, 2011


Location


Washington, D.C.


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DR. GUTMANN:


And to maximize the time for anybody in the
audience to make a comment, raise a question, we are going to not break and
move right into public comments. And so there is a roving microphone. Somebody
— Who has the microphone? Can I see who has the microphone? Okay. So people
don’t have to crawl over each other.




And if you would keep your comments brief, I
would be very appreciative. Because if you don’t, I’m afraid I have to make
time for others. Just give us one moment, please.
 

We have been timing, keeping all of our
speakers to time, too. And that is the apparatus.




MS. BONHAM:


If I can clarify. We had a number of people
who asked to speak and we had a public sign-in at the front table as we
communicated throughout the past few weeks with people who asked to speak.




Consequently to all of you wonderful people in
line, I am sorry to say I am going to go in order of this list. So everybody
could actually just sit down please and I will call the list and I will bring this
to you. Okay? Thank you so much.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Please, Val, start. And I would ask each
person after Val calls you and you come up, if you could just introduce
yourself to us, we would be very appreciative of that. Thank you.




MS. BONHAM:


Wonderful. So the first person I have is
Michael S. Perfect. Thank you so much.
 

MR. SHANEYFELT:


My name is Michael Shaneyfelt. I am from
Birmingham, Alabama. The question that I brought to the Board is that in 2000 I
was approached by a Navy sub diver and he brought to my attention the use of an
auditory weapon that he stole from the United States Navy. He told me about
this weapon that he stole from the Navy and he told me how the weapon would
affect the central nervous system of a human. And he wanted me to go out and
assist him in certain things.




And in 2006, my life changed. I woke up one
day and I got a strong electrical shock in the center of my chest. From that, I
started to have problems with my heart. I started having bigeminies, irregular
rhythms. I went into the hospital. The doctors determined that I was getting an
electrical shock through my chest.
 

Then I went in and had an operation done, an
ablation. And with all this, it just keeps going on. From then it went to my
lungs and then from there it went to my kidneys. From there it went to my
bladder. From there it went to my colon and it keeps going on and on and on.




Medically I have been looked at and reviewed
over and over and over again. My brother, he is a doctor. My sister, she is a
nurse. My nephew is a nurse. And I have got people that have talked to me about
medical situations and medical views. And I know exactly what is occurring is
wrong and I feel like I am a test subject. And I have responded to the
government and the government responded back to me but I have not seen no
action.
 

I have given you all a report and you all can
look at the letters that I have sent in.




MR. SCHATZ:


Thank you. My name is Gerald Schatz and I am a
lawyer and retired professor, Assistant Professor of Ethics and Law at Michigan
State University. I want to address two things very quickly.
 

One is the theme of vulnerability and its
recognition. We have gone from an era of very reflective and I think very
decent recognition of the moral obligations of researchers to an era of
discussion of regulatory burden. I think that is unseemly.




The second point is that there is law out
there. The bioethics community has been oblivious to it but there is
international law. There is the International Covenant on Civil and Political
Rights the United States ratified in 1992 and it makes informed consent an
absolute requirement, no exceptions, not even in emergencies, subject to those
normal legal fictions of consenting for the incapacitated patient to medical
care and so forth.
 

Additionally, the Geneva Conventions and
additional protocols to the Geneva Conventions make research very, very
difficult or prohibited altogether for those individuals who are caught up in
the war and armed conflicts.




Michigan State University faculty responded to
the OHRP request for comment in 2005 on equivalent protections. I will be
pleased to provide that comment and those citations and some additional
materials to the Commission. Thank you.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




MR. RYAN:


Thank you very much. My name is Cina Ryan. I
am an American. I have been living here since 1976.
 

To answer the question the chair lady that is
it still going to happen or is it still going on, I will assure you that there
is still experimentation going on and one of live is standing right here.




I strongly believe that I have been targeted
for the experimentation of brain research since September 2008, without my
consent. They are controlling my mind and using electronic remote control device
to send instruction. In the past two and a half years, I have been subjected to
constant electric shock, a sleep disturbance, a sleep deprivation, short
breaths, severe localized pain into various parts of my body, telephone and
bell rings in my ears, heat waves through my body, horrifying dreams, creating
sudden fear and worries in my mind.




They do these mostly when I am inside my
apartment but sometimes all this happens, some of this happens when I am
outside without I am seeing anybody or any device. This experimentation are
done to me without any touch or anything or see anybody.
 

This inhuman and painful method of torture
include reading my thoughts and memories. To this, they have been able to
control me and subject me to severe pain that I have been suffering for the
past 29 months. My health has deteriorated during this time and I have no
medical insurance to significant help. My life is in danger and I need your
help from the government. And I am only asking them to stop this painful
torture and leave me alone so I can go back to my life. Thank you.




DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you. 

STAFFER:


Dr. John Hall.




DR. HALL:


My name is Dr. John Hall. I am a medical
doctor from Texas. As I understand the memorandum from the President, it is for
you to determine if current legislation is adequate in protecting individuals
and if there is any ongoing experimentation.
 

In reviewing the Common Rule, it is very
obvious that there is a lot of loop holes to informed consent. All of the
horrific experiments you have mentioned, Willowbrook, MKULTRA, radiation
experiments, mostly were done without informed consent. They were funded by the
DoD and intelligence agencies where I am not even so sure you would know if
there is an IRB, much less if an IRB is looking at informed consent.




As a physician, relative to some of what you
are hearing today, in the community we are seeing an alarming rate of
complaints of use of electromagnetic weapons. Microwave auditory effects,
silent sound spectrum, EEG cloning, which has taken the lab out of the
laboratory and into the home. Most of these from the research that we have
reviewed can be done remotely. It seems to be more weapons research than
medical research.
 

I personally corresponded with upwards of 1500
victims all complaining of identical complaints from every state in the nation
of being exposed to electromagnetic radiation, non-ionizing radiation for the
use of cognitive control or behavior control.




I submitted a paper to you and there is
another paper submitted to each member from another physician in Kansas City
alluding to the same thing.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Ms. Millicent Black. 

MS. BLACK:


My name is Millicent Black. I am from
Tennessee, possibly a transgenerational person whose family members have been
used for at least three generations and I am the second one. My Dad possibly
was the first one who was admitted to a Nashville Hospital with a pineal gland
tumor left there with a plate in the back of his head, not the front of his
head where his pineal gland would have been.




At his death, I sought — Well actually before
his death I sought legal counsel for some horrendous treatment he had received
at a nursing home that was also partnering with that hospital in Nashville,
only to find out that a judge told the attorneys to drop that case.
 

I am a part of the group that is here today
representing those who are receiving the electromagnetic torture and even my
daughter at five months old was referred to that same Nashville Hospital after
having been refused treatment at the local hospital. I believe she is also a
victim of the electromagnetic torture. Where does this stop? When are we
re-given our rights as humans and as citizens? Does being African Americans
qualify us as non-Black or non-White, and non-American citizens or non-American
people? We seem to have a double blind going.




DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you. 

STAFFER:


Mr. Marshall? Mrs. Marshall.




MS. MARSHALL:


Good afternoon. My name is Connie Marshall. I
am a former mayoral candidate from Louisville, Kentucky. I have never been
involved in any criminal activity. I found a document in my bank account that
said problem with Kentucky government. Check federal government paperwork in
file before releasing information to anyone.
 

I am an eight year victim survivor of assaults
by directed energy weapons. The torture I have experienced consists of body
overheating, body extremely cold, seizures, heart pain, earaches, itching
behind eyes, burning behind eyes, swelling, headaches, involuntary movement of
my limbs, exhaustion, speeding and heart racing, hair coming out by the
handfuls as if I have had chemotherapy, mind paralysis, being hypnotized or
being placed in a trance-type state, being tracked by a drone or satellite,
controlled dreams, sleep deprivation, V2K which is voice to skull, projected
sound, extreme muscle spasms and extreme muscle cramps; being made to fall
down; blue circles around the pupils of my eyes and I am here and you can look
at them if you like; low frequency noises in my home; high frequency noises in
my home; sexual stimulation. Numerous electrical appliances in my home are
destroyed; four computers, two fax machines, seven telephones, four CD players,
VCR, DVD players, the electrical igniter switch on my furnace, washer and dryer,
air conditioner. Also my car radio, CD player and engine were destroyed. I am
watched in my home 24 hours a day and followed around everywhere I go, though I
do not have a criminal history.




When I ran for Mayor of my town, I was also
attacked at debates and forums. My website is www.justiceforallcitizens.com.
Thank you. And I would like to leave you with these flyers as well. Thank you.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Mr. Allen Hornblum. 

MR. HORNBLUM:


My name is Allen Hornblum. I am a
Philadelphia-based author who has written books on things running the gambit
from organized crime to Soviet espionage. But for the purposes of this meeting,
I have written two books on the history of using prison inmates as test
subjects. You may be familiar with one or both of them.




I am working with a couple colleagues now on
the history of using institutionalized children as test subjects for research.
And I can assure you some of the material I am finding is quite astounding,
including the fact that Nobel Prize winners went to institutions for the feeble
minded to use them as test subjects.
 

And in interviewing people over the years, not
just test subjects which I do on a regular basis, but also the doctors who
initiated these experiments, these clinical trials. I am talking about people
like Albert Kligman and Hilary Koprowski, Chester Southam, some of the top
researchers of the twentieth century, most of them are famous but some are
infamous. It is remarkable that almost all of them articulate how little
medical ethics was taught in medical schools at the time. And I had to bring
up, I had to educate one of them, in fact, about the Nuremberg Code. When I
mentioned it, he wasn’t even familiar with it.




These problems with regard to medical ethics
are still there. I periodically give talks at Universities in med schools and
it is stunning to me that when I go into a book store at the university and go
in, maybe I will see one of my books there. Of course I am a little bit
disturbed when they don’t, but I also don’t see anything by Harriet Washington
or by James Jones, Bad Blood, or by Jonathan Moreno’s book. Medical ethics is
an orphan in today’s medical arena. It is out there in left field. They really
deemphasize it and that is part of the continuing problem.
 

The doctors, as Dan said earlier when they do
these studies, it is a cost benefit analysis and there is much more benefit to
doing research, even when it breaks rules and laws and cuts corners than by
following the rules. And that is why I believe the Commission has to make a
very strong condemnation of Dr. Cutler and the institutions and doctors that he
worked with, not just with regard to Tuskegee and Guatemala but there are so
many other incidents and events out there.




As Susan said, we will continue to discover
these. There will be another commission like yours in ten years going over what
you didn’t look at or what you didn’t do. So I would encourage you to be as
aggressive as possible, not just describe what happened but really condemn
those who broke the law because there are doctors making decisions right now
and those decisions are going the wrong way. Thank you.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Ms. Debra Poulson or Debra Paulson. 

MS. POULSEN


Hi, I am Debra Poulsen from Kenosha,
Wisconsin.




I am going to refer to a paper from Professor
McCoy at the University of Wisconsin on no-touch torture. He talks about a
total assault on all senses and sensibilities, auditory, visual, tactile,
temporal, temperature, and survival, refined through years of practice. Sensory
disorientation relies on a mix of sensory overload and sensory deprivation via
banal procedures, isolation, by intense interrogation, heat and cold, light and
dark, noise and silence or a systematic attack on all human stimuli.
 

I have been a human subject for
experimentation for almost two years and I stand with, I have contacted Dr.
Hall, I stand with a very large group. Excuse me I am very nervous but I am
very tired of having my rights taken away. And thank you for hearing me and
thank you for the others. I would like some help. Thank you.




[Audience Applause] 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Ms. Lisa Becker. 

MS. BECKER:


Thank you. My name is Lisa Becker. I am also
from Wisconsin. I have been a non-consenting test subject in military medical
research. I, too, believe my experience is referred to as no-touch torture,
utilize defense technologies.




Jonathan Moreno, he basically predicted all
this a number of years ago in his book Undue Risk.
 

I am asking you to help initiate a
congressional investigation. We have all come a long way. This is what is
needed. We want to have the accounts of this extreme human rights abuse that is
going on in our country documented and heard, all of the accounts.




We also need what was done during the Clinton
administration, which is a major declassification of some of these documents
that are hiding what has been going on.
 

I speak for many when I say we have suffered
long enough. My personal experience has been ten years. I have been vilified. I
have been tortured. I have burns on my body. I am an American. I have rights.




The answer to the question, the big question
today, could it happen today, the answer is yes. It is happening today. It is
happening for some of us every day.
 

I am begging for you to help us. Thank you.




[Audience Applause] 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Mr. James Wollet — Walbert. 

MR. WOLLET:


My name is James Wollet. To date, I have one
of the strongest cases documented of these unethical violations against our
society.




Due to the facts of having the kinds of
professionals that I have involved with this case, I have been able to prove
that this crime against others and myself is real and shows reason to be
concerned with.
 

I am in hopes that I am able to prove the same
thing to this committee and by the introduction of the evidence that I have to
introduce to the committee, I and the professionals that are standing with
myself in this crime, would like for this committee to consider the
introduction of these documents with the growing concern of this crime to the
President for his review.




With these hopes in mind for this consideration,
I would also like to ask of this committee to consider an investigation into
these unethical violations of others and myself that are affected by this
crime.
 

With this consideration of this investigation
I request into these matters, I would also like to point out the abuses of
children that have been documented by the many professionals that I am
currently working with into these matters of this crime. To date, the
professionals have been documenting these offenses against the children that
are related to the many victims of these crimes. They have proven this concern
to be valid as I am pointing out to this committee. The growing concern of
fellow states that have now passed laws against forced chipping of an RFID
tracking chip. These states have now passed such bills into law. Colorado House
Bill 071082; North Dakota Senate Bill 2415; Oklahoma State Senate Bill 47,
House Bill 072092; Missouri House Bill 550; Pennsylvania Bill; Georgia Senate
Bill 235; and the list just goes on.




I was also wanting to ask if I could provide a
portfolio of introduction of 12 professionals from political support to medical
investigations, as well as private investigative support to committee as well
for review.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


You may. Thank you very much.




MR. WOLLET:


Thank you. 

[Audience Applause]




STAFFER:


Mr. Peter Rosen. 

MR. ROSENHOLM:


Hi, I am Peter Rosenholm. I am from Rhode
Island. Like all the others, we go through this every day, at least 14 years
now of being tortured. It is nonconsensual human experimentation. It is remote.
It is covert. It is hard to prove it a lot of times. Many of my attacks were
microwave weapons, MEDUSA is one.




In all the hospital statements when I was
hospitalized, I told of being hit by radiation weapons, that I could hear
voices. MEDUSA now admits to all those capabilities.
 

I am also in the Naval War Colleges
Congressional District and I have got falsely diagnosed, drugged. I have pretty
much proven all that wrong. I am off all the medication but I am still
tortured. It goes on every day and it goes on every day for all of these
people. What I would like is for us to have a participation on your committee
for someone from our group to actually participate. I am wondering if that is possible
because we are the victims. We are like the Guatemalans who were tortured. Is
there a chance that that can happen? Did you hear me?




DR. GUTMANN:


You are — 

MR. ROSENHOLM:


Is there a chance that a group or an
individual from us can be on the committee?




DR. GUTMANN:


We are constituted by the President as a
Commission and we have public comment and you can write us and we will read
everything you give us.
 

MR. ROSENHOLM:


Right.




DR. GUTMANN:


It is the President who — President Obama
appoints the Commission.
 

MR. ROSENHOLM:


The other thing we deal with is like a
COINTELPRO attack. Law enforcement attacks us, discredits us, will put us in a
mental hospital if we try too hard. These people all don’t want to go to
doctors. The Patriot Act has provisions what doctors have to follow what they
say. So all of these people aren’t getting their teeth fixed, aren’t going for
medical care. We are in a bad situation.




Thank you. 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Mr. Kenneth Rhoads or Rhands. Mr. Kenneth
Rhoads.
 

(No response.)




STAFFER


Ms. Letitia Peters.




MS. PETERS:


Madame Chair, members of the Bioethics
Committee, my name is Letitia Peters and I am from Trenton, New Jersey. I was a
federal government employee working 16 years as an electronics engineer right
here in Washington, D.C. where I got sick due to toxic metal exposure. And when
I started complaining about it and using my rights, I believe now after five
years of being out of the government, after 16 years of service, that I was put
into this 24/7 execution chamber. And I, too, am looking for congressional
investigations. I should be covered under the Whistle Protection Blowers Act
and I, too, would like to submit documentation which I presented.
 

And I have been denied medical treatment. I
have been disregarded as being nonhuman. All my rights have been violated. My
parents and I are living together now in Trenton, New Jersey, and there are
low-flying aircrafts dropping biological weapons over our houses every day in
order to try to kill me. And I just want to demonstrate some of the evidence
that I have and provide to you because I have been trying to get to the
President but I know all of my information has been rerouted.




So I, too, am requesting a congressional
investigation as well. And may I present this information to you?
 

DR. GUTMANN:


You may. Thank you very much.




STAFFER:


Ms. Tammy Battaglia. 

MS. BATTAGLIA


Hi, my name is Tammy Battaglia. I have been
enrolled in psychological experiments on the record since the age of 13 without
my consent.




I have spent many years recovering from
experimental hypnosis, physical and biological testing that I have undergone
during decades of tests conducted by government-funded doctors, corporate think
tanks and researchers.
 

I have experienced tremendous loss and trauma
over the years of subjection to nonconsensual experimentation, which has been
devastating to my life. The people conducting experiments on other human beings
do not consider the horribly destructive ramifications that they are subjecting
victims to. As a result, there is no rehabilitation after experiments. No
consideration is given to the often severe, psychological and physical trauma
suffered by nonconsensual tests subjects almost continuously.




Many victims such as myself are diagnosed with
nonexistent mental illnesses and as a result, we are expected to take dangerous
medications that we do not need. There is no way to seek justice for what we
have endured because in America, the land of the free, justice is not free.
 

The experiments violate every right imaginable
and offer no restitution whatsoever. If myself or any other victim approaches
law enforcement or government agencies, we are spurned and in some cases
forcibly taken to mental institutions. I have not consented to be experimented
on by any branch of the government, military, or members of the American
Medical Association.




The initial experiments unfolded from
decisions that were made for me when I was a child at a time when I was unable
to understand what I was being volunteered for or what the consequences would
be. I deserve to be vindicated and released from these experiments immediately,
as do all of us. Thank you.
 

[Audience Applause]




DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you. 

STAFFER:


Ms. Rose Gapinski.




MS. GAPINSKI:


Amy, I love your question of us to try to
figure out what the big problem is, to really analyze and get to the root of
it. And I thought at first it was containment, which leads to things like false
flags to confuse people. It leads to harassing people to discredit them or
disable them, the TIs that is, the victims. It leads to possible corruption,
secrecy, possible fear of going to prison on the part of the people that are
executing these things.
 

And then I realized underneath the
containment, the secrecy-containment umbrella, is a really glaring inability of
the U.S. to ever apologize for anything. To be able to say I am sorry, the rest
of the world is waiting for us to say I’m sorry or I admit to something. I have
flaws. Everyone does. And contrary to the Pentagon myth that you should not do
that to be strong, contrary to that myth, it makes a person stronger.
Therefore, it will also make a country stronger. Other countries would very much
appreciate it.




Say, you know, I’m sorry, two seconds of
silence and then we can go on with life.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




[Audience Applause] 

STAFFER:


Mr. Jeremy Radlow.




MR. RADLAR:


My name is Jeremy Radlar. I am here to tell
you that nonconsensual human experimentation is happening in the United States
today. I have been the subject of this experimentation for more than five
years.
 

Calling these activities experimentation is
truthful but possibly distracting. I think the criteria governing the selection
of experimentees will prove to be a much bigger scandal than the
experimentation itself.




The psychological torture protocol that is
part of the so-called experimentation includes, but is not limited to, the use
of non-lethal weapons and mind-invasive technology. Sleep deprivation, pain
center stimulation, and worse are used against subjects.
 

While some experimentees have found foreign
objects in their bodies suggesting implantation, most have not. Receiverless
mind-invasive technology has been demonstrated under laboratory conditions but
the most likely explanation is that experimentees are implanted with foreign
objects either too small to appear on commercially available scanning equipment
or designed to be indistinguishable from the surrounding tissue. These
activities are highly deceptive, use clandestine technology, and have the
fingerprints of the CIA all over them.




It is unreasonable to expect isolated
individuals receiving this treatment to furnish proof. A thorough investigation
is warranted. Thanks for your time.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you very much.




[Audience Applause] 

STAFFER:


Ms. Kathryn Nestor.




MS. NESTOR:


My name is Kathryn Nestor and I am from
Pennsylvania.
 

This Commission has spoken of a long history
of abuse of the human research subject. Although no one mentioned MKULTRA
today, President Clinton recently apologized for this.




My young child and I have been used as
nonconsensual test subjects. We have been subjected to COINTELPRO‑like
stalking, remote neuromonitoring and electromagnetic torture, resulting in
psychological and physical damage. And I won’t go into the details of that
because I have four pages written in here. It is very similar to Connie’s testimony.
 

Please do not wait 70 years to investigate
this. I ask Dr. Amy Gutmann to begin today. There is new work for the
Commission for human subject protection on our shores. And please give us a
dramatic response, Susan. And please give us a congressional hearing. Thank
you.




[Audience Applause] 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you.




STAFFER:


Ms. Miriam Snyder. 

MS. SNYDER:


Hello. My name is Miriam Snyder. I am an
educator, minister, human rights advocate. I work with many people that have
suffered the ramifications of unregulated deadly human research
experimentation. Since I have brought this to the public, I have become a
victim, too. In fact in the past I was. I have three questions I would like the
Commission to answer and then I would like to submit some recommendations so
that we do not have to go through this type of forum of listening, listening,
and then we have to rush this serious assassination program. Human research
experimentation is being used to assassinate innocent people and I think it is
time that it takes much more than two minutes to rush up. I resent it. I spent
my time. I listened and I ask that you listen.




Foremost, since Guatemala and Tuskegee
experiments, it is understood that human research experimentation via
particularly injections on innocent people is understood that these things are
going on. I would like the Commission to address what is being done to stop the
continuance of non-verifiable injections being used on people.
 

I would like to know, the Commission to
address, what penalties and protections are in place for researchers. The
incarceration of researchers who create deadly weapons and viruses. What is
going to be done to stop the deadly created manmade viruses getting out the
laboratory to human bodies? And when are we going to start incarcerating
researchers? All right?




Number three. Who supervises energy
technology, specifically electronic torture? That is a major issue. Just hold
on. I waited two days. Electronic torture. All these people are here talking
about they are being tortured. They are in a slow-kill program via radiation.
The cleft lip babies are coming out through radiation programs. The studies
show it. I have submitted documentation. We have cleft lip babies because of
unregulated radiation studies. What is going to be done to stop this?
 

These people are suffering because of
unregulated radiation studies, human research experiments. And the funding is
immense and people are dying. What is going to be done to stop it? Okay.




With respect to neuroimaging, I found a
tremendous amount of research regarding injection-induced seizures. Why is
human research allowing experiments that allow injection-induced seizures and
through electronic technology?
 

Now my recommendation. I would hope that this
committee could launch a specific committee to address these issues with human
rights experts, genocide specialists, people who have studied mass murders;
that it is understood that these things do happen through genocide and I can
give you a list of people that have documentaries on this; and to investigate
the citizen complaints regarding mind control weapons, in particular energy
technology via satellite; induced seizures via satellite; microwave auditory
effect weapon; all government-sponsored psychological operations; microchipping
through injections.




Above all, we seek the creation of a means for
injections to be verified before entering the human body and prosecution for
anyone using these deadly tactics to harm the people. And we seek compensation
for all the victims who have filed affidavit after affidavit documenting the
atrocities involved with unregulated and deadly human research experimentation
that they have suffered as a direct result of these criminal human research and
the whistle blowers who have exposed this.
 

Thank you very much and please have a forum
where we don’t have to do this rush up. I waited two days and I don’t like
being rushed like this, I really don’t. Thank you.




[Audience Applause] 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you very much.




STAFFER:


Mr. Nigel Nicholson. 

MR. NICHOLSON:


Hi, good evening. My name is Nigel Nicholson
and I have been in a psychological coercive mind control program. This started
in 2002 when I was falsely arrested, I was drugged, and I believe I was
hypnotized. Soon after that, I was being harassed by the police department,
along with noise campaign that was being committed by the New York City Fire
Department. I mean, for a whole year, every time I left my house, I was
bombarded with noise which led me to have a psychological breakdown. I have
been job mobbed. I have been put into what I call an assassination-type
program. I have been villainized. My friends have totally retreated from me,
even though I have continuously reached out to them.




I have been under what I believe is
neuromonitoring. When I can think of something and go outside and somebody will
walk by me and repeat what I just said, I know I am not crazy. Okay? Regardless
of what is being said, they made the victims of these programs to be diagnosed
with a psychological illness to hide these crimes because we all know that to
discredit an individual, if you give them a mental illness or diagnose them
with a mental illness, no one is going to believe us. No one is going to
believe you or I and this is how they are hiding these crimes.
 

[Audience Applause]




DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you, sir. 

STAFFER:


Ms. Micheline Jones.




MS. JONES:


Hello, my name is Micheline Jones. I am right
here from D.C. I live in public housing and I mention that because this where most
of the poor people are at, especially these days with the way the economy is
going.
 

I am the subject of MKULTRA mind control. I am
also the subject of electromagnetic radiation and I have many videos to prove
it. I have taken these videos to newspapers and to various places even
including what is that CDC and everyone has just turned away as if this is
hush-hush. I have had lawyers deny me assistance because they said this is too
big.




So in research I found out that the former
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney asked for reinvestigation under her resolution
H.R. 1026 to reinvestigate COINTEL activities. I am constantly stalked. There
is many covert activities that have followed me. Sleep deprivation, I don’t
have that too much now because I force myself, clocks, radios, too much liquids
at night, whatever, just to get up and get out of the house.
 

I have asked public housing from the executive
director all the way down to fair hearing which is still pending right now to
get me out of this place but now I am beginning to wonder would it do any good.
I have relocated three or four times and I had a deputy officer or a county
officer tell me this will follow you. So when they pick their subjects, this
goes with you.




I would like all of this medical abuse to be
investigated and, if possible, for you to get back with us. I didn’t know about
this meeting until yesterday and I do appreciate you letting me have this time
to speak. Thank you.
 

DR. GUTMANN:


Thank you, Ms. Jones.




STAFFER:


Mr. Timothy White. 

MR. WHITE:


I would like to thank the Commission for
allowing the public to address these issues. And it has been a lot of
information and it has been very good and enlightening. And I see I am in the
right place to provide the information I have.




And yes, the Tuskegee experiments are still
going on and the Guatemala experiments are still going on. But they are going
on because of the advances in the signals technology and in cognitive
neurological technology and neurophysiological experimentation in research and
advances in that technology is allowing these things to happen and creating a
new class of vulnerabilities for citizens who cannot protect themselves against
this.
 

We provide citizens who are currently nonconsensual
victims of cognitive neuroscience in neurophysiological research and
experimentation which is enabled remotely through extremely low frequency
computer to brain entrainment technology — This technology exists and can be
verified on subjects with a high degree of accuracy, using current neuroimaging
technologies.




Okay, this is an atrocity that has gone on for
years. And like the Tuskegee experiments, it is clearly within the scope of
this Commission. If there is any doubt as to the validity of these claims then
this Commission can conduct its own independent investigation by using
functional brain imaging techniques.
 

We ask that the Committee, just because of the
existence of our organization, Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance,
alone we have thousands of people who have contacted us claiming to be victims
of this. Our existence is justification that you should investigate this
occurrence further.




We need test developed to determine if a
citizen has been harmed by a cognitive weapon. These are cognitive weapons that
somehow these people are being experimented on with. And just overall, you need
to ban the unethical use of science and technology on all citizens for any
reason and in any form. Thank you.
 

DR. GUTMANN


Thank you.




FEMALE PARTICIPANT:


May I put my name on the list? 

DR. GUTMANN:


I don’t have the list.




FEMALE PARTICIPANT:


Well what happened was I called in and found
out it would be opened up to actually be able to speak to be put on the list.
And when I got here, I wasn’t informed that there was a list that I actually
had to sign up. I am asking for a minute.




DR. GUTMANN


Yes, you may have a minute. We have about five
minutes left.
 

FEMALE PARTICIPANT


Okay. Well, I will take five minutes.




DR. GUTMANN


No, no. 

(Laughter.)




DR. GUTMANN


If there is somebody else. Okay, thank you. 

FEMALE PARTICIPANT


I will try.




DR. GUTMANN


Absolutely. Thank you. 

FEMALE PARTICIPANT


As you see, we have, actually this is a
minority of us. Approximately let’s say I have spoken to probably 3,000 people.
He is on probably 1,500, he is on 5,000. There is a lot of us across the U.S.
And there are certain statistics I think that if you find that there is
something going on wrong, that you are going on wrong, that somewhere along the
line, somebody has to do an investigation. If there is a certain percentage of
illness. You do an investigation. If there is a certain amount of cancers in
the area, the same as Brockovich went and did the investigation, she found a
certain amount. Well, we are presenting our case right now. You said you guys
wanted to be in the know. We are giving you the information now so that you are
in the know.




There is something going on. It is an
electromagnetic issue and it has to do with from cell phones all the way to
directed energy. And I think yesterday some of the colleagues went ahead and
said that we didn’t really talk about whether there is energy weapons or not
but I mean, we have thousands and thousands of documentations about energy
weapons themselves and all we are asking for is an investigation on this.
People are being harmed. People are being tortured and people are being killed.
And I think it is a pretty important thing for a bioethics committee to look
into. And all we ask today is to please do that. And mark on March first 2011
we came to you and we told you. And I don’t know how many more people. My
friends are dead. Tortured to death by electronic weapons and I don’t know how
many more people will die. And I hope I will be here again if you have this
next year.
 

DR. GUTMANN


Thank you very much.




STAFFER


That is the end of the list. 

DR. GUTMANN


Are we —




STAFFER:


That is the end of the list. 

DR. GUTMANN


Okay. One minute. Thank you.




MALE PARTICIPANT


I am going to do the best that I can while
being hurt by a national defense weapon that our country built. I love our
country but I am in contact and have been with the Chief of the Department of
Defense Fraud, Waste and Abuse hotline. He has worked with me and my wife for
two years. And he went to the Pentagon after we were aerosoled by a jet at 150
to 200 miles per hour, that being me and my wife. That is why my face is
rebuilt and she is at home taking care of a hundred head of cattle with a brain
tumor. I have had three removed.
 

I guess my point would be this, is that I
stood up to this program, and that would be the joint operations system that
our country built with a nonlethal, less than lethal weapons system. And I am
the only one known in the world, besides the people that helped build this
system, to have this actual pulse on camera and have caught it. And I would
like to submit that disk.




But I would guess that the one question I
would have — It’s okay, Eli. You don’t have to beat me up with the microphone.
 

The one question I would add is first of all,
I would like to submit this to you as promptly as possible and then ask each
and every one of you that 90 percent of the people that approached you spoke
the same way I am, scared but also spoke — They are speaking of directed energy
weapons. That was phased out with a nonlethal and less than lethal programs.
And we all know that. Most of you do anyways.




Would you please help save my life, ma’am? 

[Audience Applause]




DR. GUTMANN


Please submit what you have and we will do
what we can. Thank you.
 

MALE PARTICIPANT


And your name?




DR. GUTMANN


My name — 

MALE PARTICIPANT


Yes, ma’am.




DR. GUTMANN


— is Dr. Amy Gutmann. 

MALE PARTICIPANT


Dr. Amy Goodman, I am going to submit that to
you and if I die from this, then I am quite sure somebody else will look at the
evidence. Thank you for your time.




DR. GUTMANN


Thank you. 

MALE PARTICIPANT


I appreciate it, ma’am.


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